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Degradation of the Armed Forces: Who does it? And Why?

When we were in school two and half plus decades back, we were told then that a Second Lieutenant (2Lt) in the Army was equal to an IAS officer. When the 4th Central Pay Commission (CPC) was announced, I was probably training at the National Defence Academy. Even after commissioning, none of us knew the implications of 4th CPC or for that matter 5th CPC till many many years later.

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In the Army, discussing of Pay (Money), Women and Politics are forbidden. It had good reasons too. These were the three things that could easily create a divide within the forces. We in the Forces, had to be strong and united so that nothing distracts us from our aim when we fight the enemy, and we shall fight till we die – The Last Man – Last Bullet.

Most of us therefore grew up ignorant and isolated to the happenings in the corridors of power. We trusted our seniors at the Army/ Navy/Air Force HQ or the Services HQ and believed the Govt would look after the Armed Forces. After all we were the only Govt Arm that is directly placed under the command of the President of India. How wrong we were!

In those days, the pay was meager. Having been brought up in an environment where there was paucity of equipment, vehicles, ammunition, and austerity measures etc., a life filled with shortages was taken as normal. We were happy with food on the table, kids in school and a roof over our heads. The lower pay was taken in our stride too.

4th & 5th CPC. India’s liberalisation, economic growth and progress in communications gave us the much needed information that showed us that Armed Forces have been short changed right from 1973. It is only many years later when Maj Dhanapalan took the Govt to court over the “Rank Pay” case we realised that introduction of Rank Pay in 4th CPC, was cunningly done which reduced the rank pay from the Basic pay, and it reduced the status of the Armed Force Officers with respect to the Police and other civilian officers of the same grade. The 5th CPC did not bring in any major changes.

6th CPC. The 6th CPC increased everyone’s salary, but quietly degraded the Armed Forces by fixing comparatively lower Grade Pays as compared to the rest. The Grade Pay became symbol of status equivalence amongst Central Govt employees. A civilian Director who was earlier in lower pay scales than a Lt Colonel, was given the higher Grade Pay equivalent to a Colonel. In fact Armed Forces officers who worked alongside civilians in organisations like DRDO, Service HQ, MES, DGQA etc., suddenly found themselves demoted. In addition, the complete bureaucracy, despite having much faster promotions, awarded themselves the benefit of still higher pay by means of Non Functional Upgradation (NFU), yet kept the military out of it partly due to poorly informed senior lot in the Armed Forces itself.

7th CPC. The 7th CPC further deteriorated things as bureaucrats transited to comparative higher Pay Levels by including NFU to their pay scales, besides downgrading the allowances of military personnel, especially with respect to Disability Pensions.

Ex-servicemen's OROP agitation

There are a whole lot of issues like OROP, NFU that Armed forces have been affected since 1973. You must have noticed old veterans sitting in Jantar Mantar for over 500 days now asking for their dues. The Govt has only given a partial OROP and the anomalies are being looked into by a One Man committee which submitted a report in the last week of Oct 2016.

Recently while the Nation was rejoicing on the success of the Surgical Strikes, a letter from Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 18 Oct 16, further gave a body blow lowering the status of officers as compared to their civilian counter parts. That got me thinking. Why and who is responsible? Let us find out.

Degradation. Who is Responsible? In the Armed Forces HQ, a Civil Services Officers cadre was introduced in 1968 at Group B level to help man bureaucratic posts in the lower and middle levels. They provided the required continuity because Armed Forces Officers were posted out every 2-3 years.  The issue arose when the civilian officers realising that the military officers serve only for short tenures and have NO SAY in decision making in Ministry of Defence (MoD) started positioning themselves in key posts and ensured their cadre progression by disproportionately increasing the higher posts on their own, without involving the three military Services HQ in the process.

On promotion from Group B post by a Civilian Officer, the normal equation of ranks initially were as given in the table:-

Serial No Armed Forces Officers AFHQ Civilian officers
  Rank Service in Years Designation Service in Years
1. Lt/ Capt 2-3 Deputy Director On promotion to Gp A
2. Major 6 Joint Director 5
3. Lt Colonel 13 Director 10

However slowly the AFHQ Civilian officers started equating Deputy Director with a Major and Jt Director with Lt Colonel, by issuing letters through their own officers posted in the office of Chief Administrative Officer (CAO). The CAO further promoted themselves twice up the chain by issuing letter on 18 October 2016 wherein it sought to equate Jt Director with a Colonel, Director with Brigadier and Principal Director with a Major General (who is supposedly equal to a Joint Secretary).

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These acts were in gross violation of the Warrant of Precedence (WoP) issued by Presidents Secretariat. The applicability of WoP for Brigs and below has been clarified by Ministry of Home Affairs in their letter dated 26 Dec 1966 and again in 14 August 2007 as as shown below

Serial No Defence Rank Civilian Equivalent
1. Lt Colonels Supdt Engineers/ IAS of 18 years’ service
2. Colonels Chief Engineers/ IAS of 23 years’ service
3. Brigadiers IG Police

The MHA in their letter dated 24 Jul 2007 have also confirmed that no other Govt document exists for establishing equivalence between Defence Forces officers and civil or para-military officers.

Action by Forces. Post 6th CPC, the issue lower Grade Pays to Defence personnel was brought to the forefront by the Services. A Group of Ministers set up through Prime Minister’s Office Note of 27 Sep 2008, headed by the present President Shri Pranab Mukherjee, clearly stated that Lt Colonels were placed higher than Deputy Secretary/ Joint Director. Various court judgement from Supreme Court and Central Administrative Tribunal, too are very clear on the status of Lt Colonels being equivalent to Supdt Engineer/ Director.

Despite all these clear policies, the Babu’s of the MoD issued thatpicture1 letter on 18 Oct 2016, lowering the status. They even had the temerity to issue press statement that the letter was justified as it was an internal arrangement. It also stated that the letter had the approval of the Defence Minister. This clearly shows that the Defence Minister was misled, which is why he has now referred the issue to an anomalies committee. A similar case has snowballed in the Military Engineering Service where the civilian Engineers have placed themselves above the serving military officers. A clear case of the Tail wagging the Dog.

So, How does it happen?  One is left wondering as to how such things could happen repeatedly. It is a combination of various factors, the constant posting in /out of Officers in the Service HQ with no continuity, vested interests overriding the decision making process, Civilian Officers Association mounting pressure on the political bosses etc. No military personnel are presently being involved in decision making in the MoD, despite recommendations by numerous committees. Politicians depend heavily on the bureaucrats who are doing the damage quietly. This is adequately amplified in an article in TOI by Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (Retd).

Is it about money? No! For people in the Armed Forces it is not about money. If it was, then many would have joined the corporate world where there were lucrative pay packages. Then what is it? It is about honour/ izzat. That is where it hurts most when you see a civilian officer much lower in service being upgraded just because they have an association and can push their way through the political bosses while the Armed Force guy, being politically neutral, suffers without any association or a group that he could join.

What should be Done? It is high time, the decision making process in MoD is set right wherein the Chiefs and the Defence Minister should rectify the anomalies to stop this degradation. This would give the much needed morale boost. A soldier should never be short changed. Because if he returns the favour in kind, then the borders would be unguarded. The enemy within has to be identified and stopped before they damage the Armed Forces further.

The Armed Forces as a profession has to be made more attractiveindian-army-national-flag-2. Status, Pay and Perks are the issues that should be set right. After all Armed Forces are the only Govt service which, when demanded, are ready to sacrifice their own Life.

I pray that good sense prevails to Support the Soldier and Give him his rightful place and dues.

Do stand with them!

Jai Hind

 

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50 thoughts on “Degradation of the Armed Forces: Who does it? And Why?

  1. V informative and well researched article, Sir..quite a revelation…

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  2. Pankaj on said:

    Thoughts are noble but will the political leadership prevail over the all powerful beaurocracy who have political executive power gone into their head for sake of privileges n shoving the problems into the lap of hapless politicians who were only trying to preserve their chair in the last two decades.. it is a wishful thought that the present Govt which have an absolute majority and not to worry on account of political positioning will take cudgels n show the beaurocrats their rightful place as “Babus”…God save the King

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  3. pk choudhary on said:

    very nicely written and quite informative and issues brought out succintely

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  4. Col HG Singh on said:

    No when we got commissioned in 1979 our basic was higher than IAS officers.
    After subsequent pay commissions it kept decreasing whereas IAS pay kept on increasing.

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  5. Col K Chaturvedi on said:

    Excellent write-up on happenings within and around MOD & babus leading to degradation of AFs. Lot of facts brought out by author , thanx for same . Let’s pray & hope those concerned at helm do something constructive to amend the problems . Hope not expecting too much .

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  6. Jogeshwar Kar on said:

    Very well researched and informative. Hope it reaches the ears of those who can make the change and make a better tomorrow for all of us ….

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  7. Nicely researched article…from the heart..hope powers that be look in these crucial matters…otherwise they might have to start posting IPS officers to man our higher echelons…as we wud be out…

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  8. Vivek Mathur on said:

    Excellent, Sajan. But how will this reach the powers that be, and even if it does, do they really care? Thats the sad part. There is no option left today for the Armed Forces to question every such decision. Legal recourse should always be at the back of our minds.

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  9. Very nice…..and I’m pleased to see the comments also. But there are n number of such articles on the net which are writt en by the members of forces and read and lauded by the armed forces community only. What difference does it even make.

    Yes, the articles may be commended for their logical approach and literary beauty…but they hardly create a difference.

    My views are purely personal and I don’t intend to contradict anyone.

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  10. Anurag on said:

    Great article, sorry situation…hope it gains momentum & make the right people realise the truth!

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  11. AKAASH JOHAR on said:

    The govt is clueless about the importance of the relationship between the soldier and the state… The state is blunting its own sword… A pity

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  12. Sanjeev Prashar on said:

    Very well researched and informative article. Hope someone is listening in, is far-sighted and has the character and energy to bring in balance and harmony in the System.

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  13. Like a surgical strike against our known enemies. Its high time that a surgical strike on this unknown or unseen enemies are carried out, either legally or otherwise. If this is not corrected now at a period when the entire nation can see and knows what is right and understand what is wrong, nothing can ever be done at any other time. A localised civil (babu) disobedience movement would fuel the issue. A movement in which the armed forces reject every decision by the babu’s and don’t move any files to them. It will the its toll for sure, but such sacrifices needs to be done only then can this menace be stopped.

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  14. An excellent elaboration on how the Babu’s in the MOD,meant to serve the interests of the Armed Forces,subtly & progressively stabbed their brethren in the back!Once inducted,Officers cared a hang about Pay & Allowances,served diligently,took what they got,trusting the Establishment that their basic interests were being looked after by the President of India,who,technically was the Supremo!What a let down!
    Had it not been for the likes of Maj Dhanlapan,a common soldier may not have woken up to the evil machinations of the scum in the MOD who deliberately upped their lot and down-graded the stature and perks of the Defence Services.
    Even a dumbo reading this synopsis,will clearly see the damage done to the gallant personnel of the Indian Army/Navy/Air Force.Will our current no-nonsence,strong-willed,pragmatic and able Prime Minister and the Supreme Commander of the Services (the President) now get the anomalies prevailing in the status,pay & pensions of the Soldier corrected in letter & spirit?

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  15. Sajan – lucid.. is the only word that can convey what you have written. As many others have also commented hope this reaches the ‘right’ ears and something happens for the good. The degradation that we are seeing has been happening right under our eyes for many years and we have let it go. My take is that it will continue. However, there will come one day that someone has to get up and take notice and that is not too far. I want to support it with one of the incidents which happened with me in 1992 when I was posted in the Valley and was travelling with the GOC then. I had said that the CI allowance which I got at that time was less than the CCA I got in Delhi from where I was posted 🙂 so why should I want to join such an Army. The Old man replied ” One day Army will be forced to advertise to get these young men” and he was right. Within the next couple of years Army started putting up the posters ‘Do You Have It In You’.
    Probably another nasty incident which hits us (God forbid) right where these decision makers live will force the powers to be to rethink. Till then we must continue this non-violent pressure. Thanks for waking many of us from our slumber.

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  16. The most heart wrenching and unexplained, unkind cut of all has been the treatment meted out under the present regime of BJP, who when not in power always took a very pro armed forces stance and were considered very understanding/ sympathetic for the unjust and openly hostile Nehruvian attitude towards the armed forces. BJP has no reason to complain about “coalition compulsions “, the excuse UPA under Manmohan Singh regularly took when cornered.That the present regime post Uri has repeatedly taken extremely hostile steps make it appear as punishment measures rather than reward / appreciation for the sterling services rendered to the nation. While quick on the draw to take credit for the surgical strikes, which rightfully was theirs without doubt, it was befuddling to witness one hostile and unwarranted measure after another unfolding and hurled at the men in uniform. Unfortunately, the regime is being led by the nose by the wily bureaucracy as in the previous regime and going by the unfriendly acts unleashed by the government, one is forced to conclude that their is a wide gulf between the Khatni and Karni of the govt.

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  17. R Khanna on said:

    Another problem is we do self harm-NFU was refused by the army to ‘preserve the charm of higher ranks’. DACP for AFMS has not been implemented despite Supreme Court orders due to objections by the army . Why would court orders become sacrosanct for other issues even if passed in our favour? An excellent article but radical measures required for correcting anomalies – not commitees staffed by the same bureaucrats who perpetuate these in the first place.

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  18. Colonel N K Rishi, Retd on said:

    Excellent article. It’s sad that ever since independence the bureaucrats are being / have been freely allowed to take decisions suiting their personal interest and which are hostile to the Commissioned Officers of the three services. And it’s unfortunate that the politicians in general are pretty illiterate to understand the complexities being created by the BABUS to suit them only & are highly detrimental to the three services. And what is horrifying is that the politicians have no time to study / understand / or even thoroughly go through / read in between the lines the proposals cleverly put up by the Bureaucrats / issues relating to pay parity / allowances / pensions / degradation of status of the Armed Forces, well spelt out by the Gazette Notification by the President of India in 1950. The political brass are just signing machines & feel highly elated with their power for right or wrong decisions making. Strangely after 5th CPC, the Bureaucrats have been clever to exclude representation of three services in CPCs, which till then was rightly in vogue. Isn’t strange that politicians blindly accepted the proposal put up by the Bureaucrats for exclusion of services representation in the CPCs. Now time has changed when even father asks son / daughter before taking decision, big or small of any kind. Certainly the political brass does blindly, though may be in good faith take decisions relating to the proposals put up by BABUS for themselves. One such example is somewhat remote area allowance of 30 percent to BABUS posted East of Siliguri or so. Are such allowances justified & in connivance to what has been given to armed forces for posting to Most Hostile Posts at Sachin, where medically even one is not allowed a tenure over 3 months? Thus it’s strongly recommended to our PM & RM to seek views of the three service Chiefs before decisions are made relating to armed forces relating to their salary, status etc Lately, the RM even failed to seek views of the three service Chiefs, before issuing orders for degradation of status of the three services. This action of the RM has totally demoralised all ranks of three services. I strongly feel that in case such casual attitude of the politicians continues, a time is soon in offing, that irreversible damage will be done to the morale & proper functioning of three services.

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  19. Col Amish Chadha(Retd) on said:

    Its apparently the handiwork of the IAS to downgrade the Fauji in all possible manner . It is a very serious issue which needs to be addressed by the current Government which has Two Ex Army Officers as Ministers . The fault also lies with our hierarchy which for personal gains has kept quite over a long period of time . Till the time the child doesnt cry the Mother doesnt know it is hungry similarly till the Defence forces will not take a cumulative and decisive stand no Government will restore your honour as The Armed Forces live and Die for Honour we should take this issue very seriously and demand our pre Independence Stature . Its time for all in Service to gettogether on a single platform unite under the triservices flag and call this bluff of the IAS as also in the same breath ensure that Defence Ministry is run by Army Navy and Airforce Officers and Officials alone and no Babu who has never doned the coveted Uniform has a say in our affairs. Jai Hind.

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  20. One has to analyse why such situation has arisen. Answer is simple.After particular length of service,our senior officer only look for their interest and their future employability and to achieve that they do all kind of acts which r not desirable.These babus take advantage of this weakness of our senior officer and exploits.Now a days we don’t have strong leadership up in the ladder who can bulldoze his way through and save the org from degradation. Under this govt things will be more worse.Its high time we should all unite,voice our concern in all kind of forums, move the court, and fight out the internal enemy with full might

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  21. Major Deepak Iyer on said:

    It is indeed sad to see that the Armed Forces stature has been degraded so much. We should definitely set this right. In parallel, we need to focus on two criticalities plaguing the Armed Forces (A) internal accountability – from all Services such as ASC, AOC, MES, EME et al. Our systemic inability (till date) to challenge our stature degradations stems from here. If our generals (and automatically everyone in organization) do not have the integrity and courage to challenge and expect internal forces (ASC/MES et al) to deliver high quality of products and services, the far more powerful external forces (IAS/MOD et al) will always exploit and degrade us. Does a Lt/Capt/Major have the ability to refuse any ration, clothing or equipment not meeting quality standards? Is there a systemic celebration of these instances or are these attributes systemically discouraged? (B) move from a blindly obedient Armed Forces to a thinking Forces. That will need more focus on building independent, intellectual, innovative, holistic and progressive thinking in the officer cadre and making that a strong need for promotions. It will be these attributes in our officer cadre that will not only ensure NFU, OROP, grade equivalency issues get resolved at the earliest but also ensure that any one seeking to ever exploit or degrade the Armed Forces feel the same dread that our enemies feel. And that will also be the reason why every family will again want their child to go into the Armed Forces.

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  22. Its all about officer. Can anybody tell me, before 5th cpc, MWO basic was more than a pilof officer, but after 5th cpc, it has been degraded. Jawan ans jco had been paced in a inferior category. Our defence focre is only organisation who doesnot want its jawan rise and became officer where as in CPO even a jawan can become officer and organisation also provide all support. Dont cry about status, it is misleading, it is only about money and of course onthe cost of jawan and JCO. If one will nkt care his subordinate, even god will also not help him.

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    • Dear Rakesh, I do not agree to your comment with respect to not encouraging jawans to become officers. Every opportunity is given to them. The entire Army Cadet College is meant for this purpose. Only the deserving go there. It is NOT automatic.
      As for your other point, it is trying to create a divide among the ESM by dividing them into Offrs and Jawans. Look at Jantar Mantar. There are more jawans and JCOs leading the movement. In fact one JCO just died for it. Let us not belittle their efforts. Your views are appreciated but points are contested. Why don’t you visit JM and see for yourself.

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      • K JAGANNATHAN on said:

        Sajan, good article.4% of the officer cadre is earmarked for people from the ranks. In Armed Forces the selected lot get them. In many other careers, senior guys from the ranks get promoted to officers rank very late in service, viz state cadre Police etc

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  23. Major Deepak Iyer on said:

    Excellent article! It is indeed sad to see that the Armed Forces stature has been degraded so much. We should definitely set this right. In parallel, we need to focus on two criticalities plaguing the Armed Forces (A) internal accountability – from all Services such as ASC, AOC, MES, EME et al. Our systemic inability (till date) to challenge our stature degradations stems from here. If our generals (and automatically everyone in organization) do not have the integrity and courage to challenge and expect internal forces (ASC/MES et al) to deliver high quality of products and services, the far more powerful external forces (IAS/MOD et al) will always exploit and degrade us. Does a Lt/Capt/Major have the ability to refuse any ration, clothing or equipment not meeting quality standards? Is there a systemic celebration of these instances or are these attributes systemically discouraged? (B) move from a blindly obedient Armed Forces to a thinking Forces. That will need more focus on building independent, intellectual, innovative, holistic and progressive thinking in the officer cadre and making that a strong need for promotions. It will be these attributes in our officer cadre that will not only ensure NFU, OROP, grade equivalency issues get resolved at the earliest but also ensure that any one seeking to ever exploit or degrade the Armed Forces feel the same dread that our enemies feel. And that will also be the reason why every family will again want their child to go into the Armed Forces.

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  24. Brig Jay Kaul on said:

    Very well researched article. This information must reach the Chiefs’ , RM and PM. The tragedy is lack of continuity and truncated tenures’ at Army HQ.
    Accepted this non sense for too long. Chiefs need to have a spine and learn to thump the table. Veterans should make such information viral and keep flagging such issues at the right forum.
    We have to learn to speak up.

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  25. Col M. S.Hooda on said:

    You have sir, in a precise manner identified the malaise. What is now needed is treatment of the disease. Our Chiefs have initiated the dialogue. Let us all support them whole heartedly. We need to keep the environment informed. You are doing a great service to all incl the veterans. You can count on all of us for continued support. Col

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  26. Mahip singh on said:

    Very well analysed and presented.The disparity highlightedhas to be corrected by the present Governmment for the overall fuctionong of the pillars of democracy of which the Armed forces is a formidable and one of most important pillar. The BJP under Modi can do it as has been done for OROP after 40 years . This is a nationalistic cause.

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  27. Lt Col S L Sah ( Retd) on said:

    AF have been given step motherly treatment all the way by the scheming babus who have whole time been manipulating to hood wink the system and garnering the increase in their emoluments and status as vividly explained in the preceeding comments. The matter should have been looked into by the hierarchy who were lucky enough to rise in the steep pyramid promotions and continuing their ambitions to grab choice appointments post retirement. The fault is equally shared by the aspirants to leave the common soldier in the lurch which is now visible as a deep gorge.

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  28. ishita on said:

    Excellent read.n need to be circulated.

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  29. mohan dasa on said:

    There are none as blind as those who will not see.

    If RM wishes to undo injustice, he must go back and take minimum two steps in reverse direction as far as status goes.

    Units/fmns should not bend over backwards to wine n dine civ dignitaries. They can be given modest facilities, esp in fd areas/on board etc.

    Much depends on how the Chiefs want to go down in history.

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  30. deepak on said:

    I think by now each n every AF personnel knows the raw deal they are getting all these 70 years and sacrificing their lives to hear that: biznessmen, (bania) sacrifices much more than a fauji, that actors, cricketers, artists, politicians have nothing to do with Terrorism by the enemy country, so there can be free exchange when the soldiers are being killed… but knowing the facts alone if not sufficient unless it is followed up with strict corrective action. Let me state that our chiefs, the Generals are the weakest link, and nothing much should be accepted, the new dynamic leadership will have to come from the ranks, it will after all Rome wasn’t built in a day, n it will have disastrous consequences…

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  31. I J SWAMY on said:

    These parities never disappear because practically not a single politician sends his ward to serve in Armed Forces .

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  32. BHARAT RAJ on said:

    Good article but parallely PBOR to be highlighted in terms of MSP and lowering the status of PBOR as compared to civilian counter parts. In MES past Sub Maj was appointed as Asst Garrison Engr Equivalent to AEE. , Now the scenario changed even the department not willing to give officiating to service persons. Same diploma we had and the nature of duty same. Civil JE grade pay is 4200/- but where as a Naik only 2800/- . Apart from it civilian JE will promoted to GP B officer on seniority basis but in army for even haviladar you need to pass basic training no question of free promotion. Even clk haviladar 2800 grade pay is LDC where as withsame grade pay is UDC in civil counter parts.

    Dear Sajan sir we request plz focus on us also

    JAI HIND.

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  33. BHARAT RAJ on said:

    Good article and also but parallely PBOR to be highlighted in terms of MSP and lowering the status of PBOR as compared to civilian counter parts. In MES past Sub Maj was appointed as Asst Garrison Engr Equivalent to AEE. , Now the scenario changed even the department not willing to give officiating to service persons. Same diploma we had and the nature of duty same. Civil JE grade pay is 4200/- but where as a Naik only 2800/- . Apart from it civilian JE will promoted to GP B officer on seniority basis but in army for even haviladar you need to pass basic training no question of free promotion. Even clk haviladar 2800 grade pay is LDC where as withsame grade pay is UDC in civil counter parts.

    Dear Sajan sir we request plz focus on us also.

    JAI HIND.

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  34. BHARAT RAJ on said:

    Security Advisor must be an Army officer because he know very well about the issue compare to civilian babu who sit in North and South Block.

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  35. COL VINAY DALVI on said:

    Comprehensively covers all key issues with solutions !Great work !Congratulations &Appreciation !Col Vinay Dalvi

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  36. Col vinay Mehta on said:

    Well explained and appreciated . I hope the the article is read , understood and acted by the concerned powers. In the meantime it will strengthen our view point among the civilian friends.
    Col Vinay Mehta

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  37. Superb article…

    However nothing gonna change as the Babus are aware that in spite of all these factors, defence services will deliver, when time comes.
    So how does it matter to them ?

    They are well versed that soldiers will keep sacrificing for the nation…and they are taking advantage of this fact.

    Its high time…Someone at senior level…must act !!!

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  38. This article echoes my notings on files when I was serving in Integrated HQrs Mod (Air),where in I was very forthright in my file notings and got the proposal approved for any scaling of equipment by countering each and every Mod or Mod (Fin ) observantions with razor focused counter replies with justifications quoting almost all rules and regulations.I had the rare privilege of clearing 11 CVC cases, 7 LTAR, 10 Draft Audit Paras at the level of PAC. Regularisation of 268 cases of losses with out TFN of Flying Incidents /Accidents, 70 MACT cases of MT accidents ,Disposal of Obsolete Eqpt worth 1000crores,250 POLS of Audit, member of DPM 2006 and DPM 2013 where in brought the concept of OEM certs and laid down SOC, Quaterly Allocation of Funds only after expenditures,which is now implementated across the States Treasuries, concepts of e-procurement to root out the corrupturn by these AFHQ civilian cadres,disciplined them as per CCS rules, countered their many demands as frivolous in many JCM level meetings, never sired anyone, never chased files for approvals, could walk up into the office of Jt Secretary oor AddlSecretary in South Block where many Star Officers used to avoid to go or speak their heart out All these intelligence intellectual,sharp memory with with rules, clear intent to support the causes of operational units made them fear my name. They never ever dared to return our proposal in fact recommended them for higher CFA with fast track Under Secretary initial drafting notes. They took advantage of only those who were meek and yes masters. For us it was like a cakewalk walking up the ladder of civilians counter parts office upto Def Secretary whenever any unduly ulterior motives were noticed by us. Therefore putting entire blame on them and not taking some on us may not be correctly placed. Our selection criteria of not to post officer of high intellect , good intentions , high calibre, go getter, with fearless approach at Service Hqrs /MoD may have embolden the AFHQ Civilian Cadress for taking such highly dangerous consequential steps for Nation at large. Therfore need of the hour is to stop releasing any new civilian vacancies and outsource all the support services to Management Companies run by Ex Service Personnel or Veterans, /appoint the vetrans to the posts Jt Director upwards as advisors or consultants on the same grade pay, merge all rank pay /military pay with basic pay .

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  39. S Kumar on said:

    With due respect to all armed forces it is high time a rational view is taken instead of narrating one side story only. There are huge gaps in this version and the truth. All Govt in general and BJP in particular have done the maximum for armed forces. Pension is given to only soldiers and not to any civilian in Govt service after 1 Jan 2004 onwards. OROP which is not logical if seen in totality and not given to civilianin Govt service is also granted now. With AVS committee report all Offrs become It Col in 12-13 yrs. There is plethora of allowances given to soldiers and not to their civilian counterparts. But they still grudge about NFU, some allowance difference and other petty things. There has to balance and limit to these. They cannot have the status which was there in British India where army was a tool for suppression nor like in Pakistan or Burma where Mititary Junta rulespractically and has ruined these countries.They should come forward and thank Govt for OROP, Pension and all perks and benefits and then request for further betterment. Regards.

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    • Your comment shows how ignorant you are about the issues.
      OROP is there for all Gp A and they serve till end and get the highest position unlike defence ppl where only less 1% get to the highest HAG.
      As for Lt Col in 13 yrs it is at par with others in Govt who achieve that posn in 10 yrs
      NFU is there for all Gp A.

      Why do u want to treat the defence as second class citizens??

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  40. C S Azad on said:

    Well researched article and aptly placed. Provides chronological events which lead to continuous degradation of Armed Forces. Its high time that ruling political leaders rise to the occasion and resolve the issue.

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  41. Brig Raj on said:

    Very aptly analysed post indicating pot has started boiling,fear is it may not spillover the edges. Lot has and is being written on the issue. The bosses better wake-up lest the ‘Arab Spring’ does surgical strike, which may not be palatable to the Country men.

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  42. C M Nayar on said:

    Was the MS branch unaware of the warrant of precedence. For years they have been posting Brigadier’s as Chief Engg (not colonel’s) as given in the wop. The civilian chief engineers therefore equated themselves to brigadiers.

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  43. Nischal Sood on said:

    Well articulated but ended abruptly. The facts regarding systematic downgradation are all known, the remedial actions could have more elaborate.

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  44. satyendra on said:

    Thanks for info

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  45. I come from a family of military men for 3generations. But I did not join military after my brother. My dad says there has been a degradation of military, most in past 2 decades. Its not the same as it was when he joined IAF in 70s. The people joining now are coming mostly from desperate backgrounds and the pride of being soldier has also come down due to internal and external politics and the meekness shown by these officers towards the netas and babu’s for any benefit for military. If you are a hard working fellow who wishes to serve country by becoming a central govt employee or in military, better choose former, as they are the ones enjoying all the perks at a safe distance from border, the families are not in tears praying for your safety every time the war breaks out and they are still being proud of their ranks and salaries. If you have it in you… Better become something which you won’t have many regrets later about. All netas are the same… So my dad’s new advice is stay away from military, if you have it in you… Govt only wants Yesmen, who won’t use brain and Indians will pay through their nose for this willful mistake… Then there won’t be Indians, as it will become part of China or pakis.. Pakis may appear to be having no democracy and being ruled literally by army, but those armymen are regarded with more respect by their babus than Indian counterparts. And it will be one of the reasons why India may not win next war with pakis, cos the real quality men are going away from military due to lack of respect or perks. Why go to military… If you really have it in you…!
    Jai Hind Sir…

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  46. Vikrant Dutta on said:

    very well written and informative and explains the subject in a lucid manner..

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